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Showing posts with label picking up women. Show all posts
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Wednesday, December 26, 2007

A Master List of Fake Jobs

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If you haven't picked up a copy Neil Strauss' latest book, "The Rules of the Game," you can grab it here.
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When you are out with your friends and a woman asks you that dreaded, “What do you do for a living” question, do you know what to say? Here is a list of fake jobs we have used with great success. Feel free to mix and match these if she then says “No, what do you REALLY do.”

1. Paperclip repairman;
2. Lettuce washer at Taco Bell;
3. Disposable cigarette lighter repairman;
4. Professional miniature golfer;
5. Professional miniature golf caddy;
6. Security guard for a gumball machine;
7. Asbestos removal (then cough a couple of times);
8. Quality control tester for a parachute company;
9. Ass model (thanks David D.);
10. Marshmallow salesman.

Also, try to come up with a bit of a follow-up story for the jobs you end up using. For example, when I use the miniature golfer, I like to say “I always wanted to make a difference in the community."

Watch her reaction. It will speak VOLUMES as to whether or not you should continue talking to her.

Good luck!

Alexander Stone & Stephen David
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Online Dating Edge / Approach Dynamics

Friday, December 7, 2007

Field Report: The Laughing Girls

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Stephen & Alex,
You wrote an article about "OSO" a couple of days ago. Could you give an example of what to say? Thanks.
"Morpheus"



Ok "Morpheus," if that is your real name. The best way to answer that is with a field report.

We were recently at a lovely outdoor bar in Rockville Centre, New York. A pair of cuties were spotted sitting at a table talking to each other and laughing. Why was no one moving in? Was everyone intimidated? Good thing we weren't.

Implementation of O.S.O. (observation, story, inference)was in order!

I walk over to the empty chair next to "Nikki" and say hello. They look surprised that someone sat next to them at the table.
"Couldn't help notice you laughing. It's my turn to laugh. Tell me a funny story." (OBSERVATION)
"I don't know any funny stories," she replies.
"I'll tell you one then!" I proceed to make up some story about a kid falling off a skateboard. (STORY)
I finish my story, and know I have her hooked.
"Oh, I have a funny story for you." AMAZING, she's comfortable with me and is telling me a story, it was actually a funny story. While telling me the story Alex begins to move in on "Dina" while "Nikki" can't stop touching my hand and knee while talking. Time to move her away from her friend.
"Let me ask you something," I ask. (I'll come up with an OPINION later, but I don't think I'll need one.)
"Sure," she responds attentively.
"Let's go somewhere quieter," I propose.
She looks over at "Dina," as if to ask permission. Alex has her occupied. Great job wingman! We move to an area in the back and she makes the move on me.

O.S.O. Thanks again.


Alexander Stone & Stephen David
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Online Dating Edge / Approach Dynamics

Tuesday, September 11, 2007

The Pick-Up Artist: A Debate

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Here's Michelle Hill with her take on that new VH1 show, 'The Pick-Up Artist.' Be sure to see our comments below...

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Some of you may have seen a show on VH1 called The Pick-Up Artist. The premise of the show is that the so-called ‘ultimate pick-up artist’, a guy named MYSTERY (are you kidding me?), teaches a bunch of tools, socially awkward (though sorta lovable) losers and no-confidence shmos (or in Pick-Up Artist lingo, “Average Frustrated Chumps”) how to pick up chicks. Now don’t get me wrong, I’m all for helping people who are shy or uncomfortable gain confidence, but I have some serious issues with this show.

First of all, how are we supposed to have faith in a guy who insists on going by the name Mystery? For me, he loses credibility right there. And his wingmen go by the names Matador and J Dog. Can you get any lamer? Not only that, this guy has a ponytail, wears eyeliner and nail polish and sports some really cheesy-looking furry hats. Not what I would call a fine example.

That aside, my biggest issue with the show is that Mystery gives his proteges canned lines and kitschy tricks or scenarios to use on women, rather than teaching them how to carry on a stimulating conversation. They all walk around the club or bar spouting the same crap to woman after woman waiting to see who will bite. And, they treat picking up women like a game (women are referred to as “two sets” or “three sets”, approaching women and beginning conversations is called “opening a set”, teasing women is call “throwing negs”, getting a girl’s phone number is called the “number close”).

Guys, just be real. A woman is going to see right through all of the canned crap and “game”. Sure, do what you can to build your confidence and develop your social skills, but at the end of the day, just be yourself. Women want real men, not guys who have to study in order to get the balls to approach them.

-Michelle Hill

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ALEXANDER:

Wouldn’t it be nice if meeting women were as simple as going into a bathroom stall and tapping your foot? I’ll tell ya, some people just don’t know how good they have it ;)

Unfortunately for many guys, it is not so easy. The sad truth is that most guys would rather sit through a tax class at NYU than walk to a woman and start a conversation.

Michelle Hill has given us the typical female response to this show. What she is essentially trying to say is, 'That kind of stuff would NEVER work on me. Guys, just be yourself.' But yet, despite being so 'disgusted' by what she saw, she was somehow intrigued enough to watch the ENTIRE EPISODE (while learning some pick-up lingo in the process). Hmm.

And while Michelle Hill says that guys should be themselves on the one hand, she then says that the 'students' in Mystery's program are "a bunch of tools, socially awkward (though sorta lovable) losers and no-confidence shmos."

Just how well do you think these guys were doing with the ladies by 'being themselves'?

And while Stephen and I discourage the use of canned pick-up lines when approaching women, there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with having a couple of default conversation topics in the back of your mind in case you run out of things to say.

So when you walk up to a group of women, would you rather have something creative to say to them (i.e. their opinion on a topic that interests them), or do you want to be the eleventh jackass to walk up to them and say "Hi, you're so hot. Can I buy you a drink?"

The contestants on this show were obviously doing something (actually, MANY things) wrong when it came to women. To quote the Boston Mauler, these guys "couldn't get laid in a whore house." But instead of sitting around and crying about how they never get laid, they decided to take the proactive steps necessary to get this area of their lives handled. THAT, my friends, is being a REAL man.

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STEPHEN:

A few comments:

1. The name, Mystery, is like a nick name. A lot of guys have them. No biggie! I think it's kind of catchy actually!

2. His looks. It's a style, it gives (pardon the word) mystique. Basically it's peacocking. It may not be YOUR thing, but plenty of women dig that look.

3. Michelle's last line:
"Women want real men, not guys who have to study in order to get the balls to approach them." We don't teach lines. We work on first impressions, conversation, and escalation. But more importantly, I see no shame or problem with seeking help when you know you have a problem or if you want to improve something about yourself.

If a guy goes to a gym and works out, is he now being fake? Come on Michelle!

4. I agree with her line, "be yourself". Unfortunately, she thinks you can't be yourself if you are being helped. I disagree. We, and others, help people to be themselves around people that they are normally too nervous to act normally around!

And to call those guys tools and losers... ouch. Not so nice.

Alexander Stone & Stephen David
Copyright 2007 - All rights reserved
Online Dating Edge / Approach Dynamics

Monday, June 11, 2007

Field Report: A Girl in the Supermarket

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It can happen anywhere...

This afternoon I ran down to the local supermarket to pick up a few things. As I was walking down the dairy aisle (why is it still called the dairy aisle when they have juices in the same refrigerated areas?), I noticed a beautiful girl. She was staring at the orange juices as if it was the first time she was shopping. After much deliberation, I saw her pick up the store brand orange juice (from concentrate). I quickly took action!

Me: "You know, for only a quarter more you can get the GOOD stuff (pointing to the Tropicana and Simply Orange)".
Her: "Oh... (she smiles and giggles)... I'm staying by my friend's house for the week and she asked me to pick up a few things. I'm trying to get the cheapest one."
Me: "Some friend YOU are" (with a smile).

I then asked where she was from and she gave me the rundown. Grad school classes are done and she's looking for teaching jobs, and she was taking a week to spend with her girlfriend that lives by the water.

I told her my ice cream was going to melt, but she should give me her number and maybe we could meet up. She smiled, said sure, and put it on my cellphone. The entire exchange took approximately 3 to 5 minutes.

Lessons learned:
1. When trying to initiate a conversation, if you can't think of something to say right away, take notice of something in the envirornment and comment on it.

These 'situational' openers are frequently the best type to use - they are original, relevant to something that is going on in the environment and they keep her guard down because it seems like normal conversation rather than a pick-up.

2. It is MUCH easier to approach a woman and start a conversation in a place like a supermarket than a bar or a club. Again, it just seems like normal conversation and she will be much more receptive to speaking to you. And by the time you ask for her number, she will be happy she met a normal guy and should have no problem giving it to you.

Give it a shot!

Alexander Stone & Stephen David
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