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Showing posts with label gold digger. Show all posts
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Wednesday, October 3, 2007

Dating: How to Handle Inappropriate Quesions

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Hey guys,

What is a good response to a woman who asks you on a first date, “Do you own or rent?”


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Depending on how the rest of the night has been going, there are a bunch of ways you can deal with this. But in reality, anything other than “I own” or “I rent” would work.

It should go without saying that this kind of question is a MAJOR red flag, and you might want to reconsider whether this is someone you want to be spending any more time with. You probably have a status whore or a gold digger on your hands.

How would I handle it? I would probably end the date and throw her number away, but not before having some fun.

Here’s my response:

“I don’t think I understand your question (looking really confused)... what do you mean?” And then continue playing stupid with whatever she says in response. I can keep that conversation going for hours!

Of course, you can also go with some other approaches. Feel free to mix and match these if she continues to press the issue:

“How about you come back to my place and I’ll SHOW you...”

“Actually, I’m on welfare (looking really ashamed)... by the way, would you mind picking up the tab?”

“Did you see the Met game last night?”

“Do you spit or swallow?”

“I’d love to tell you, but look at the time... it was nice meeting you though.”


Alexander Stone & Stephen David
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Online Dating Edge / Approach Dynamics

Monday, July 23, 2007

Live Earth - The Forgotten Post

By popular request, here is the synopsis of a few of our approaches from the Live Earth Concert at Giants Stadium. As a reminder, Approach Dynamics will be conducting another Live Approach Training at the Saw Doctors concert on Saturday, August 11, 2007 at Irving Plaza in Manhattan. Seats are filling up FAST, so if you want in, click here and sign up.

1. Upon moving towards our seats, I noticed a row of 4 girls sitting by themselves. Showtime! I moved in with "The Jackal" and "Iggy" and quickly things were progressing. They all happened to graduate a year ago from "The Dalton School" (Reverse Gold Digger?) and are currently attending Indiana University. Conversation flowed well, and after a little banter, we went on listening to the music and talking amongst ourselves. They quickly clamored for more attention. Props to "The Jackal" and "Iggy" for their good work!

2. About 3 hours after the debacle with the "rude girl", Jackal made another attempt. He moved in on a different girl in the set, who looked like someone had shot her dog.
"Come on, lets have some fun!" he said jovially.
NO RESPONSE...
(Playing dumb and having fun) "Are you ok?"
"She's fine," said the blocker (biatch 1)
"I'm ok," the girl promptly responded.
Another blocker, a bony, weird looking guy in a V neck t-shirt said in a hostile voice picking a fight, "hey where's your ticket, dick?"
The Jackal: "In my pocket, I'm sure you'd like to get it."

Then Jackal turned to the target with a smile and said, "sorry everyone here is so angry... try and have some fun."
As he returned, Jackal shook his head and said, "Wow, what a sad bunch."

No truer words had been spoken!

3. After our foray into the college scene, I proceeded to move in on a more mature woman. A lovely 30 year old lawyer from NJ. She approached me about how much she loved my kissing penguins shirt. PEACOCKING at an environmental venue! :) She started getting all cerebral with me about carbon emissions, global warming, and electricity generation. Good thing I have multiple degrees in related fields! She was smitten. She asked if she could give me her email so that maybe we could get together.

4. Upon leaving the show, I noticed a girl on top of a 3 to 4 foot high divider, which was separating buses that were heading back to Manhattan from a huge crowd of concertgoers. She was looking around and yelling out to people she went to the show with.

"What's going on at the front of the line 'Girl On Top'?" I asked her.

She smiled while loving the attention and we proceeded to have some friendly double-entendre laden conversation.

The Jackal then climbed up onto the divider with the 'Girl on Top' for a little bit, while I ran interference with her other girlfriends down below. As we got on the buses, Jackal asked for and received the golden digits. Once again, well done my young apprentice!

Lessons learned here? It's all about having fun. Don't worry about the outcomes of any particular interaction, "IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER". Oh yeah, and fruity-looking guys in v-neck t-shirts like hanging out with bizatches.

Alexander Stone & Stephen David
Copyright 2007 - Approach Dynamics / Online Dating Edge

Thursday, May 31, 2007

How to Spot a Gold Digger: Part III of IV - The First Date and Beyond

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This is the third part of a four-part series. Click here for:
How to Spot a Gold Digger: Part I of IV- Introduction
How to Spot a Gold Digger: Part II of IV - The Initial Meeting
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Sometimes you are not going to be able to determine whether you have a gold digger on your hands right away. Here’s a sampling of what to look out for. And by the way, the more you find yourself answering yes to these questions, the bigger a problem you have on your hands.

Planning the First Date:

Once you have set up a first date with her (a ‘first meeting’ for drinks if you met her online), did she seem excited to be seeing you or did she appear to be offended that you chose a café or a pool hall rather than a five-star eatery?

Also, after you set up the date/meeting, did she try and change venue on you to someplace ‘nicer’? If she does, REFUSE and stick to your original plan. See how she reacts. If she ends up flaking on you, congrats! You got off easy! And of course, DO NOT make any more plans with her.

But if it looks like she has a legitimate reason for changing venue (i.e. closer to where she lives), agree to move it to her neighborhood but choose a different place than she suggested. Again, see how she reacts. If it looks like it’s a problem, cancel and throw her number away. Then take some of that money you just saved and let us redo your profile or show you how to approach women!

The First Date:

On the first date/meeting, is she on time? If not, does she apologize and/or offer to buy you a drink? And by the way, NEVER wait more than 20 minutes for anyone.

When the waitress comes, does she order the most expensive drink on the menu? Does she try to hit you up for food, even though you made it clear that you were meeting for drinks? Does she mention money at all? [And by the way, "I don’t care about how much money a guy makes" is girl code for, "if I really didn’t care about money, I wouldn’t have mentioned it in the first place"]. And most importantly, does she make an offer to pay when the check comes (which you will refuse, of course), and did she say "thank you" for treating her?

The First 60 Days of the Relationship:

The first 60-90 days is the real probationary period for any new relationship, as this is the time where you guys are still getting to know each other and most of the ‘rules’ for the relationship are being formed. So here are some things to look out for during this time. Is she constantly expecting you to take her out all the time, or is she just as cool hanging out at home? Does she ever offer to take YOU out anywhere? Does she pay for anything? Does she OFFER to pay for anything? Is she constantly trying to find out how much money you make? Is she obsessed with your job/social status?

Here is the bottom line - would she still be dating you if you were suddenly flat broke, or if you woke up tomorrow and decided you didn’t want to be a lawyer/investment banker/actuary/etc. anymore?

So now that you know how to identify a gold digger, what pre-emptive steps can you take to avoid encountering one of these women in the first place? Well, you’re in luck. Stay tuned for Part IV of our series, How to Spot a Gold Digger - Avoidance.

Alexander Stone & Stephen David
Copyright 2007 - Online Dating Edge / Approach Dynamics

Wednesday, May 30, 2007

How to Spot a Gold Digger: Part II of IV - The Initial Meeting

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This is the second part of a four-part series.
Click here for ‘How to Spot a Gold Digger: Part I of IV- Introduction'
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You would think that gold diggers would have some sort of expertise in covering their tracks, but surprisingly, many of these women OVERTLY flash their true intentions - all you have to do is listen! In most cases, you can weed these women out right from the get-go and move on to friendlier waters. Here's what to look out for when you first encounter one of these women:

Online:

In the online dating world, Match.com and Chemistry.com make it REAL easy. Check and see if she has money or power listed as one of her 'turn-ons' and if she has any 'salary requirements' for her date. If either one of these pop up, RUN for the nearest exit.

On Jdate, look at her personality traits and see if ‘high-maintenance’ is checked off. You would be surprised how many women have this listed (well, then again...). Also, check her written paragraph about her ‘ideal first date.’ If she is talking about nice restaurants and fine wine rather than getting to know you better, you’ve got yourself a problem child. Finally, look at her blurb on what she learned from her past relationships. A lot of times they’ll give up some REAL good info in there (this is also a good section on Jdate for weeding out psychos!).

Now for ‘research purposes only', I contacted some women on Match and Jdate who met the above criteria to try and find out what gives. Here is a sampling of what they wrote back:

"No, I am not rich and the father of my children does not sit at home either it is as simple as that."

"You seem rather hostile... what is with that opening email? Intersting game plan...."


Don't even bother trying to bust on these women - they can't take a joke. Just move on.

In Person:

Now with real-life interactions, you have to pay a little closer attention. When you first met her, how long did it take for the ‘what do you do?’ question to come out of her mouth? And how did she react when you told her that you were the sour cream manager at Wendys or a miniature golf caddy? Did she laugh and change the subject, or did she seem annoyed and ask you again?

Also, was she asking you questions in an attempt to genuinely get to know you better, or was she trying to qualify you with inappropriate questions from the moment you began talking to her (i.e. ‘what do you do’, ‘how much money do you make’, ‘what kind of car do you drive’, ‘what do your parents do’, ‘do you own or rent’)?

Case in point. There was a girl I was corresponding with on match.com that kept asking me what I did for a living. Each time she would ask, my responses got more and more outrageous. I should also note here that her emails otherwise seemed witty and playful. However, when I asked for her number, here was her response:

"My cell number is 917-XXX-XXXX. But I still don't know what you do. I can tolerate most jobs but if yours is rather scatalogical or bodily function involved-ok a man with a bedpan in certain situations could be attractive-our future tryst might not work."

One thing you are going to have to do is have a pre-planned, smartass answer for any inappropriate questions IN ADVANCE. Sometimes women will ask an inappropriate question innocently, so being a wiseass here is a good test to see what her true intentions are. Stay tuned for Part IV of this series where I'll give you some examples of how to respond to these questions.

Now if she is REALLY being a pain in the ass, I’ll tell her that I am looking for a sugar momma to take care of me so that I can be a house husband. And after I get bored of watching Oprah and the Price is Right, I am going to divorce her and take half her money. Then I get a good laugh at her reaction and WALK AWAY.

Coming tomorrow, 'How to Spot a Gold Digger: Part III - The First Date and Beyond'

Alexander Stone & Stephen David
Copyright 2007 - Online Dating Edge / Approach Dynamics

Tuesday, May 29, 2007

How to Spot a Gold Digger: Part I of IV - Introduction

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Regardless of the type of person you are seeking in the dating world, I think we can all agree that no one wants to be taken advantage of. We would all like to believe that our significant other is with us because they genuinely care about us, and NOT because of some ulterior motive. And with the increasing popularity of online dating as well as an increase in ‘street approaches’, a lot of connections are being made between complete strangers that have no way of checking each other’s ‘social references’. After all, Google only goes so far.

As such, the onus has fallen upon ourselves to screen for the wrong types of people, so we don’t end up wasting our time, money and (most importantly) our emotional energy with someone that is not right for us. As the old saying goes, ‘it’s a jungle out there’, and we need to know how to spot the red flags before it is too late.

It is our mission at Approach Dynamics to not only help you present yourself in your best light, but also to provide you with the tools and wisdom that will enable you to find the RIGHT person for you. Unfortunately, not everyone in the dating pool has honorable intentions, and perhaps the most notorious offender is the gold digger.

Also called the ‘status conscious woman,’ the gold digger is seeking money. YOUR money. And she is going to do everything in her power to get it. These women walk around with the attitude that they are somehow entitled to a piece of everything you own. Depending on their agendas, the gold digger is usually seeking either a sugar daddy to take care of her or a man who can provide her with quick and easy access to wealth and power. In exchange, whatever ‘affection’ you receive from her will come from a mindset of 'financial obligation' rather than genuineness. But if your bank account dries up or you get passed over for partner at your law firm, she will drop you in a heartbeat and move on to the next turkey.

And yet, for some reason, these women are celebrated by society and the popular media. One need only look at Anna Nicole Smith, Heather Mills and Eva Longoria’s character on Desperate Housewives for examples. And while men can be gold diggers as well (Kevin Federline and Tom Arnold come to mind), it is much more common for a man to fall prey to a female gold digger than vice-versa.

Now I hate to say it, but a lot of guys bring these situations upon themselves. If you are bragging about your job as a bond trader and your brand new Mercedes, this is the kind of woman you are going to attract. But if these are the types of women you are looking for (and you have a bank account large enough to sustain one of them), then more power to you!

However, if you think you can buy a woman's attention with lavish dinners and free vacations, you are GROSSLY mistaken. And after you get your obligatory peck on the cheek or brief makeout for dropping a small fortune on her, she exits your car and pays a visit to 'that guy Mike' she was complaining to you about at dinner. Mike, by the way, never buys her ANYTHING...

There is also another group of women (often from wealthy backgrounds and/or successful in their own right) that will only date a doctor, lawyer, etc., but I would not necessarily categorize as ‘gold diggers’. Rather, these women tend to be ‘program women’ (a.k.a. the ‘drill sergeant’ or the ‘control freak’) that are trying to play out that fairy tale they have had in their minds about how their perfect lives are going to turn out. These women tend to be the daughters of gold digger moms, and they will nag and browbeat you to death if you do ANYTHING that could possibly embarrass them in front of others (i.e. change your profession or wear last season’s clothes in public). These shallow, insecure women are to be avoided as well, and many of the traits I will be describing in Parts II and III of this series will also apply to them.

Now let’s be clear. If you are 30, still live at home and you work for your father selling porno DVDs out of your basement, you are going to have a hard time meeting decent women. And frankly, I’d be a bit weary of any self-respecting woman that would actually go for you. Ambition is a positive male trait, and is something that ALL women look for in a man. I wouldn't take it personally if she is testing you to see if you have your act together - this is ok, and in fact, should be expected. Just make sure she is doing it for the right reasons.

There is also nothing wrong with a woman dating a man that earns a good living - provided, of course, that this is not the sole reason she is with him. I think the big test is when someone asks her about you, does she talk about you as a PERSON, or does she mention that necklace you bought her or that you are taking her to Café des Artistes this weekend.

Furthermore, if you are in a committed, serious relationship with a woman that has shown you that she is genuinely into you, you SHOULD be taking her out and treating her well. What we are talking about here are those women that feel as if they are somehow automatically ‘entitled’ to fancy gifts and expensive dinners from someone they either barely know or have no actual interest in. I think the law has a term for women who trade physical and/or emotional companionship in exchange for money or other considerations, but I can’t seem to think of it right now...

Coming tomorrow: How to Spot a Gold Digger: Part II - The Initial Meeting

Alexander Stone & Stephen David
Copyright 2007 - Online Dating Edge / Approach Dynamics